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No Wonder the Jobless Rate is Staying at Depression Levels

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My wife Joyce and I were renting a car for the week this morning at a Hertz office just outside Philadelphia. There was a line of people either waiting to pick up a vehicle, or to return one.

The harried clerk behind the counter -- the only guy in the office -- was fielding calls while trying to serve the first guy in line, who was trying to rent a car for a vacation trip with his wife to North Carolina’s Outer Banks. No sooner would the poor clerk sit down at the computer to start typing in the information from the man’s driver’s license than the phone would ring -- a phone that was located on a desk in a cubicle behind him, requiring him to get up and run around to the back cubicle.

The man at the counter, and others in the line, sighed audibly.

The clerk rolled his eyes in apology as he explained to the caller that he was backed up in the office, and would have to call her back. There was a pause, and he said into the phone calmly, “Within the hour. I promise.”

Then he came back to the counter, apologizing. The phone rang again. He ran back to the phone and fielded this second call, again saying he’d have to call the person back.

The man at the counter, likely a college professor judging by his baseball cap, which had embossed on the side “Penn Relays Official,” observed to no one in particular, “Here it is: the New American Economy.”

I said, “You got that right!”

 

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Grey Wolf

jobs, jobs, jobs = more corporate profit, more corporate profit, more corporate profit

  • 32 votes
#1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 10:57 AM EDT
Good Grief!!

I have been working for the same company for 22 years and have seen a lot of changes over that time. I remember the recession of the early 90s and how my company weathered the downturn, but what I am seeing now really concerns me. Sales are up but we have been cutting back on employees continually over the last 3 years. In my section, sales have increased more than 30% in the last 18 months but I have 1/2 of the employees doing the work than I had 2 years ago.

Our directive from the corporate office is to offer executive service to our customers but that is the first thing to suffer when you cut back too much, and we are well past the breaking point for that. Doing more with less does have limits but the corporate managers don't seem to see this from behind the desk from which they sit.

  • 41 votes
#1.1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:23 AM EDT
Loozerio

Doing more with less does have limits but the corporate managers don't seem to see this from behind the desk from which they sit.

Good Grief!!, the bean counters are incapable of understanding the abstract notion of limits, because of their limited intellect. It is no wonder they are anti-intellectual. Take Gov. Perry of Texas for example, who is the CEO of a huge state, and could not understand basic economic principles. It is a sad state of affairs.

  • 29 votes
#1.2 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:42 AM EDT
ryoushi12

No surprise about perry, He got a D in economics in college.

And I have seen the same thing many MANY places. NO PEOPLE to actually PROVIDE SERVICE. And, when possible I vote with my feet and shop where they actually HAVE employees. So, never shop at walmarts and ALWAYS shop at Target.

  • 21 votes
#1.3 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:48 AM EDT
krounded

Corporations have abdicated their responsibility to their communities and their society. But most of all, they have abdicated their responsibility to themselves.

One does not make more money by reducing their workforce and shrinking their customer base. Henry Ford knew this.

Many are real quick to blame government for being too "big" or having too many regulations. Some need to take a hard look at what is going on. It's an excuse - nothing more.

Destroying jobs to get a bigger bonus is not beneficial even to the bonus taker. Using the government as an excuse to do nothing is as bad as the welfare cheat. Same excuse, different implementation.

Conservatives that heap the blame on Obama or government are not being the rugged individualists they claim to be. Pull the economy up yourselves. Make it a party plank. Hiring people will help your bottom line, you just have to wait a little longer for a bigger payout. Can they really be that short sighted?

The business community has been all about being lean with no eye to the larger picture. It's ok to be lean. To be starving is a different story.

Emerging markets offer a good opportunity for profits, but not at the expense of established business. Many business owners have learned that the hard way. Growth does not happen over night and it is chess, not tittley-winks.

  • 28 votes
#1.4 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:00 PM EDT
Fla Pat

And I have seen the same thing many MANY places. NO PEOPLE to actually PROVIDE SERVICE.

What is really curiousis is that the companies that provide and go out of the way to assure great service will be the ones to survive in the long run. Sort of like the tortoise and the hare fable.

Greed as the guiding principle to operate a business is short term and eventually leads to disaster - you just have to look at how the 2008 meltdown occurred to realize that.

  • 21 votes
#1.5 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:02 PM EDT
Zoolopolis

Lets pull back to see causes.

30 years of tax cuts have encouraged mass drive for efficiency. Instead of investing in jobs creating capital to get tax breaks, rich take profits.

Result, harried employees.

  • 26 votes
#1.6 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 1:38 PM EDT
Davy-755715

Oh, you naysayers; look at the wonderful point: Profits and dividends are UP, even if the stock is sick! It all means more campaign cash for Teapublicans, and for them, what else is there?

  • 15 votes
#1.7 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 1:39 PM EDT
alfie-omega

Doing more with less does have limits but the corporate managers don't seem to see this from behind the desk from which they sit.

That is because they have found that they can lay off people, blame it on the economy/fiscal problems/economic uncertainties/etc, keep people afraid of loosing their jobs, and hope that no one notices that they are actually raking in money hand over fist.

One does not make more money by reducing their workforce and shrinking their customer base. Henry Ford knew this.

One does if they think they can fool their customers and the American people into believing that the reduction in the workforce is necessary for them to survive. For some companies it might be the case but for others, it is an excuse for them to make even bigger profits.

  • 19 votes
#1.8 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 3:07 PM EDT
Thinknaboutit

I think a lot of companies are seeing this as a win win situation for them. Pay less people for the same work for more profits now, and hiring less people will supposedly be blamed on the president who has already stated he wants to take away their tax breaks.

  • 14 votes
#1.9 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 6:13 PM EDT
0pinion8ed

This is why the urgency to break the unions, the employees only defenders. I have seen people at the local Dollar Store that cannot possibly get all their work done and then their store record is downgraded. Corporate offices send down so many requirements and so few labor hours that the effect is to grind people down. When the customers require attention, they either get a grumpy assist or other work goes undone. Either way, the employee is treated like slaves. All this on minimum wage, no benefits and a figurative crack of the whip. Yep, the effects of alec in spades. Same goes for walmart who actively participates in alec and is equally dedicated to preventing unions from forming. No help from the Supreme Court who recently dismissed claims from over 1 1/2 million walmart employees as without merit. The supremes are clearly on the side of corporations and defeat equal protection under the law. Be nice to retail employees, they are sure getting the short shrift. But I bet they are voters too.

  • 14 votes
#1.10 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 6:24 PM EDT
Pat-#@!&!#@

Someone said it the other day "con jobs, con jobs, con jobs".

  • 11 votes
#1.11 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 8:01 PM EDT
0pinion8ed

Oh Pat, I see from your post you are employed but believe me, con jobs are not real job security. Better look for another line of work.

    #1.12 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 8:08 PM EDT
    Pat-#@!&!#@

    I wasn't referring to my employment.

    • 5 votes
    #1.13 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 8:12 PM EDT
    jdl-28

    Citizens of this country are cowards and will never stand up to their own government, instead they will sit on their backside watching themselves and their country go down. Your government has every one divided and want to keep it that way for if you are divided there is no way to stand up and fight.

    Ask yourself one question if you ask your president to step down would he, or would he bring the military in just like the other country have which he said is wrong.

    I believe our government would bring in the military in to control us.

    • 4 votes
    #1.14 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 10:39 PM EDT
    HappyToSeeYa

    jdl-28
    . . .
    Ask yourself one question if you ask your president to step down would he, or would he bring the military in just like the other country have which he said is wrong.

    I believe our government would bring in the military in to control us.

    Constitutionally, elections are still the manner in which this country replaces presidents, representatives, and senators. The military has no constitutional duty to replace US politicians.

    • 4 votes
    #1.15 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 8:27 AM EDT
    Walt42

    Seems to me the TeaPublicans, who carry water for the rich corporatists, are completely ignorant of how their masters are mistreating them. All these TPs can see is the $$ in their coffers-which will soon disappear when Koch and their ilk no longer need them. This may be the beginning of the end for the democratic republic known as the United States of America. I was a valient attempt for humanity, but could not stand against GREED.

    • 6 votes
    #1.16 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:04 AM EDT
    Nick46

    Then he came back to the counter, apologizing. The phone rang again. He ran back to the phone and fielded this second call, again saying he’d have to call the person back.

    When you have customers in line the phone is not important. Let it ring. I have been in line checking out and the clerk answers the phone then goes to check stock for the person on the phone. Prioritize people phones can wait.

    • 1 vote
    #1.17 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:37 AM EDT
    Super Ultra

    When people who can't get through on the phone come in and complain to your supervisor that no one answered the phone and you get chewed out or fired, it sort of makes you want to haul ass and answer the phone. Then after you do that, the customers in line go to the supervisor and complain about you answering the phone. It's just so damn hard to do everything without losing even the crappiest job nowadays. They've got a lot of us by the short hairs.

    • 7 votes
    #1.18 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:45 AM EDT
    jmorris

    When you have customers in line the phone is not important.

    Unless of course one of the "metrics" your job performance is based on is "number of unanswered phone calls". Which is much easier for a distant corporate office to monitor than the satisfaction of people waiting in line.

    • 8 votes
    #1.19 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:47 AM EDT
    dcstone01

    You can easily say that, and agree with that Nick 1.17...and I feel that way too...

    But...having worked 'customer service' in a variety of settings...it is not what 'corporate' wants...they want that phone answered within 2 to 3 rings...

    • 7 votes
    #1.20 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:47 AM EDT
    Nick46

    But...having worked 'customer service' in a variety of settings...it is not what 'corporate' wants...they want that phone answered within 2 to 3 rings...

    Well you can't do two things at once. An guess what since I am standing in line I am a paying customer. I believe paying customers are more important than the phone. And I will let the clerk know that along with corporate.

    • 1 vote
    #1.21 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 10:35 AM EDT
    dcstone01

    Do it...if enough customers complain then something changes...more likely the employee gets the boot, because the 'company rules about needing to answer the phone won't change'... but hey, you tried right?...

    • 8 votes
    #1.22 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 10:44 AM EDT
    California Militia

    Loozerio said...

    Good Grief!!, the bean counters are incapable of understanding the abstract notion of limits, because of their limited intellect. It is no wonder they are anti-intellectual. Take Gov. Perry of Texas for example, who is the CEO of a huge state, and could not understand basic economic principles. It is a sad state of affairs.

    you say they dont understand the basic principles of economics, but corporate profits are at an all time high. because of this i would wager that their understanding of economics is better than yours, unless of course you could increase profits even higher.

    please expand on your statement so i can understand why you think they are the uninformed ones.

    • 2 votes
    #1.23 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 11:34 AM EDT
    jmorris

    dcstone01

    Do it...if enough customers complain then something changes...more likely the employee gets the boot, because the 'company rules about needing to answer the phone won't change'... but hey, you tried right?...

    Employees are replaceable, Corporate Policies are sacrosanct.

    • 8 votes
    #1.24 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:40 PM EDT
    zapper45701

    It's not about answering the phone or the person next in line, it's about having enough folks to do the jobs. Not job, JOBS, with an "S." Of course, that means someone is getting paid out of the corporate fund, but it takes money to make money. For some reason, that line of thought has been lost somewhere.

    How do we fix it? We all have cell phones, right, (or pretty much so.) We start calling corporate headquarters. We tell them what a great job Mr/Ms Overworked-behindthedesk is, but then we tell them what a crappy job their main office has done in providing so little back up for this overworked person. Nag. Laying on the guilt is good, too, although it takes a little practice, if it is to be done correctly. (I had one customer service agent say she wasn't taking on the guilt for someone else. I told her to give me to that someone else, because guilt was on the agenda. My daughter tells me I'm the travel agent for guilt trips.) Nag some more. What have you got to lose?

    Write on these forums and vines about how bad Hertz is. Forward the link to this vine to them. Let'em have it. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm fed up with this corporate mentality. This is one of the main reasons we fail, we don't fight back. I've quit shopping in a number of places; and I've watched them sink, one by one, for exactly these same reasons. Either someone is going to wake up somewhere, or they will be out of business--the sooner the better.

    • 5 votes
    #1.25 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 3:41 PM EDT
    Loozerio

    California Militia, Loozerio will answer your question, and that's it. No additional quibbling will be entertained, because it is Loozerio's opinion.

    you say they dont understand the basic principles of economics, but corporate profits are at an all time high. because of this i would wager that their understanding of economics is better than yours, unless of course you could increase profits even higher.

    please expand on your statement so i can understand why you think they are the uninformed ones

    It takes no understanding of economics to lay off 1000s of people, foist the additional workload onto those remaining, who, of course, haven't gotten a raise in years, just to make huge profits even more huge.

    It takes no understanding of economics to forsake the U.S. manufacturing base by outsourcing jobs to foreign sweatshops, have the cheap Walmart CRAP sent back to the U.S., where former manufacturing workers, who are now unemployed or flipping burgers, must buy the cheap Walmart CRAP because they can't afford anything else, JUST TO MAKE HUGE PROFITS EVEN MORE HUGE.

    It takes no understanding of economics to hire a posse of lawyer/lobbyists who make sure that no corporate taxes are paid on the huge profits, which make the profits even more huge, while simultaneously forsaking the U.S. economy and infrastructure which enabled the huge profits.

    It takes no understanding of economics to do any of these things. What it does require is a complete detachment from the human context, and a fetish for wealth that excludes all other considerations.

    • 6 votes
    #1.26 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 5:42 PM EDT
    Jonathan-2055273

    hmmmm ok loozerio, no getting into the kinky stuff. NO fetish talk allowed in here.

    • 3 votes
    #1.27 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 5:48 PM EDT
    Loozerio

    So, Excellent Friend Jonathan, what did you think about the rest of Loozerio's semi-micro-rant? Loozerio believes that you can be trusted not to quibble. -(8^D>

    • 5 votes
    #1.28 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 5:59 PM EDT
    California Militia

    loozerio,

    i was moreso looking for what basic principles of economics they werent understanding. you gave me some more banter on how what they do doesnt take an economics degree.

    anyone can call someone else stupid and/or grredy, which is basically what you did. however, they continue to make a profit legally so I will side with them on who understands economics more. unless of course you can counter each of your statements with a "this is what they should do", but i digress.

      #1.29 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 9:36 AM EDT
      Jonathan-2055273

      loozerio:

      well you kind of lost me when you got to the fetish word, I just lost all track of time and space and my mind went into kinky mode with dreams of becoming the first trillionaire while everyone else starves in abject poverty and lives off my trickle downs. (yes that was sarcasm).

      Seriously though, I think you understand my views, to me money is just a tool, and if you have nothing to do with that tool, then it is a waste of time trying to collect those little pieces of paper. Collecting money just seems like a waste to me. It doesn't make you happy (and if it does, I think that is sad)

      As for economics, it isn't about the study of money, it is the study of scarcity of resources. That money is involved in that is not really important. Economic study is just as pertinent when studying a barter based economic system.

      As for the modern interpretation that the collection of money is what built this country, that is bs. Building a nation is what built this country. This is something that has been lost on it seems everybody. It isn't about entitlements, it isn't about how I can make a billion dollars and not pay taxes, it was about building a nation. I wish we could get back to that. I think we would all be happier and not constantly fighting each other.

      • 2 votes
      #1.30 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 1:16 PM EDT
      Loozerio

      As for the modern interpretation that the collection of money is what built this country, that is bs. Building a nation is what built this country.

      Loozerio concurs.......virtual nod of agreement

      • 3 votes
      #1.31 - Tue Aug 9, 2011 4:37 PM EDT
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      Loozerio

      Excellent Friend Grey Wolf, from the seeded article..

      We all need solidarity, not undermining, by our fellow citizens. There is a class war underway in America, and anybody who isn't a capitalist or a well-paid executive, or a politician on the take from those capitalists, is the enemy. The rest of us need to start working together.

      A co-worker struck up a discussion the other day, and started in on the "Cadillac driving blacks on welfare" and the "union guy pushing a broom for $50/hour", and Loozerio was so disillusioned that this crap was still out there. Loozerio reminded him that, had it not been for unionizing efforts back in the early 20th century, when organizers and strikers had their skulls fractured by rent-a-cop goonsquads, he would not have paid vacations, sick leave, overtime pay, 5 day work week, etc.,etc.,etc. Loozerio asked him to ponder whether he was getting played, and whether he was directing his anger in the wrong direction, towards his fellow hard working citizens.

      • 35 votes
      Reply#2 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:27 AM EDT
      ryoushi12

      Yep, there are a lot of morons out there who have NO idea of how they got this far, and how listening to teabaggers is going to take them back to the days of employer goon squads and 12 hour workdays 6 days a week, not only for themselves, but for their children starting about age 7 or so.

      Just ask the teabaggers about repealing EVERY LABOR law enacted since 1900, just ask the father and son quacks, the Pauls about that.

      • 23 votes
      #2.1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:52 AM EDT
      BLOGER-486140

      I have always found those who hate unions, hate them out of jealously and impotence. They usually live in right to work states where local political hostility makes unionizing difficult. Most union members don't make that much more what they do get are better benefits, and protection from the arbitrary and often capricious behavior of an immediate supervisor. When there is a layoff they have to be called back and the layoff is based on a contracted formula not the whim of the supervisor. The anti union types thrive on these conservative urban myths and fantasies perpetrated by right wing radio host. Host who are in the pockets of their sponsors.

      All you have to do to shut them up is tell them to organize their company and they can live well to. It usually shuts them up.

      • 20 votes
      #2.2 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 5:23 PM EDT
      Auto 101

      They usually live in right to work states where local political hostility makes unionizing difficult.

      I love the right to work states I have never had any problems with them. I personal don't want to belong to a union I don't need them to tell my boss what I'm worth. I have no problem with you organising I just don't want to pay any money to a union. Not all employers are still cutting back many are restoring benefits. this year we got back our sick time and 401K match. I have no problem with you organising but I should not be forced to pay for union representation If I don't want it.

      • 2 votes
      #2.3 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 6:59 AM EDT
      hopeful in ND

      If it were not for the Unions you would not be paid the amount you claim you are worth. The Unions fought for minimum wage laws and the average pay rates for most job possitions. Yes there are a few companies out there that would pay a fair salary but most perfer to take advantage of the employee.

      • 7 votes
      #2.4 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 11:06 AM EDT
      Auto 101

      it were not for the Unions you would not be paid the amount you claim you are worth

      Perhaps for many jobs but mine I have a skill that many don't have. That is one reason I can get a job any day any place with no problem.

        #2.5 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 3:12 PM EDT
        Jonathan-2055273

        auto,

        If you benefit from union representation, then you should in part pay for it. Otherwise you are just a freeloader.

        As for your skill, who knows,

        • 3 votes
        #2.6 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 3:57 PM EDT
        Auto 101

        As for your skill, who knows,

        My employer does.

        If you benefit from union representation, then you should in part pay for it.

        I didn't ask for it I don't need it.

          #2.7 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 6:41 PM EDT
          BLOGER-486140

          Many people don't need Unions. I don't My skill set is in demand anywhere in the country. However,the vast majority of people are not so fortunate. The have nothing to offer but a willingness to work and good work habits. For those easily interchangeable people. Unions provide dignity and assurance that the group will look out for the individual. I don't need one, but I am glad they are exist. They make the workplace better and ever so slightly more equatable. The trickle down of Unions is evident in all workplaces.

          • 6 votes
          #2.8 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 8:37 PM EDT
          Liberal Madmama

          The trickle down of Unions is evident in all workplaces.

          Absolutely agree!

          Even people with specific skill sets that are in demand sometimes find themselves in need of group representation with employers. While current workplace conditions mean that more people are protected without the need for a union, I think it is apparent that the current political trend is towards dismantling workplace protections, and attempting to do the same to unions. I think it's a distinct potential that even people with specific skills will find it more and more difficult to get work with competitive pay and benefits and safe workplace conditions. One of the things that unions have done is create an environment where it is less likely for skilled workers to be ousted in favor of less skilled workers that will be 'trained' on the job, placing them in danger in the process and leaving them in a position of owing their training to an employer who is willing to treat them poorly and replace them quickly if they object.

          • 5 votes
          #2.9 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 8:46 PM EDT
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          ReasonPlease

          That's a very compelling slice-of-life story, doubtlessly repeated millions of times in the US every day. I know it's familiar to me. It sounds like that clerk was doing an excellent job - at that moment, at least - in keeping his head, and the customers did a good job - at that moment, at least - in keeping theirs as well. Unfortunately, I'd suspect that clerk will hit the wall far too soon with that job, the company will needlessly lose an otherwise good employee far too soon, and the customers' bad opinion is not toward the employee but rather toward the corporation. It's stupidly short-sighted, to say the least.

          • 13 votes
          Reply#3 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:27 AM EDT
          Liberal Madmama

          It's stupidly short-sighted, to say the least.

          It does appear that way, of course that perception depends on what the actual goal is. My suspicion is that the goal is not necessarily to maximize profits by overworking employees. I'm concerned that what it actually boils down to is more along the lines of this as a goal: Corporations benefit more from Republican administrations. High unemployment will hurt Obama's chances of re-election. A hiring and wage freeze will keep unemployment artificially high and wages artificially low. While bad customer service because of overworked employees may temporarily hurt the bottom line, the issue can be remedied immediately after the next election, and customers will have forgotten the bad service within months. Additionally, if most corporations are engaging in similar tactics the customer service will not be better at the competitors, so the damage is irrelevant, and temporary.

          • 22 votes
          #3.1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:57 AM EDT
          ReasonPlease

          I sadly suspect you may be right. I suspect those oh-so-clever "job creators" have badly misjudged the temporary vs. permanent damage they have done to US consumer optimism and beliefs. I suspect they think we'll be booming business-as-usual in 2012 with a change in Presidential administration. And I suspect they'll discover they're horribly wrong on all counts.

          • 16 votes
          #3.2 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:16 PM EDT
          dcstone01

          I'm concerned that what it actually boils down to is more along the lines of this as a goal:Corporations benefit more from Republican administrations. High unemployment will hurt Obama's chances of re-election. A hiring and wage freeze will keep unemployment artificially high and wages artificially low. While bad customer service because of overworked employees may temporarily hurt the bottom line, the issue can be remedied immediately after the next election, and customers will have forgotten the bad service within months.

          It is preciesley what happened to Carter...he was a visionary and wanted to do right by 'the people' and the environment...but 'corporate' pulled those SAME dirty tricks then too...

          The people need to tough this out longer and not fall for this ploy on the part of 'corporatations'...To get more 'republicans' into office...so, have patience...this will continue through to the next election...

          The best thing to do is not shop at any 'big corp' and buy only Made in America...if you can't buy anything MOA then do without it...save your money...

          • 10 votes
          #3.3 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:56 AM EDT
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          mountainmike-1199289

          There was a recent article on Newsvine about corporations sitting on almost 2 trillion dollars in profits and not investing in American jobs. Their rationale is that there seems to be a lack of confidence in the market and economy by Americans, and consumers are not really consuming. However, consumers are not consuming because they are the one and the same victims of predatory lending that have lost their jobs, are unemployed or under employed, had to default on mortgages, etc... So its a vicious circle that starts with CORPORATE ECONOMIC TREASON AGAINST AMERICA.

          Those profits will be used for over the top excessive CEO and executive salaries and bonuses, invested in other countries, used to fuel outsourcing, or stashed into offshore tax evasion bank accounts.

          And its the Republicans that insisted on extending tax loopholes to corporations.

          http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/06/01/how-our-largest-corporations-made-170-billion-during-great-recession-and-paid-no-taxes/

          How Our Largest Corporations Made $170 Billion During The Great Recession And Paid No Taxes

          Corporations need to get ripped a new orifice for what is happening to the American economy and the lack of American jobs.

          • 18 votes
          Reply#4 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:28 AM EDT
          Nick46

          There was a recent article on Newsvine about corporations sitting on almost 2 trillion dollars in profits and not investing in American jobs.

          What does this mean. Do you want companies to hire with no work? A job implies that there is work to perform continually. Otherwise temporary workers suffice.

            #4.1 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:41 AM EDT
            dcstone01

            Tax laws can be written like they once were when we were 'prospering in the 50's and 60's that actually penalize corp's for having too much 'cash on hand'...

            Incentives if you will...the use it or 'lose it' approach...use the money on employees or lose it to 'taxes'...

            An example-Draw up tax codes that put that corporations money into circulation through their R&D departments, thereby hiring specialists at a higher wage and bene's package etc...

            • 6 votes
            #4.2 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 10:03 AM EDT
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            krounded

            Makes you realize why unions were created in the first place.

            Great article Grey Wolf!

            The whole idea of having a bail out and stimulus was to give companies the breathing room to hire and further stimulate the economy. They have abdicated their responsibility over and over again.

            If one wonders why the government is having to pick up the slack and getting "larger", just read this article and remember the Conservative mantra. The private sector creates jobs. We need more of that. That is the way out of the recession.

            Perhaps companies do not put on people because their are no customers. There are no customers because they have no jobs. It would be chicken and egg example except there is a way out of the circle. Hire more people. Stop whining about who's lazy and on government aid and look around like the author has done.

            Stop complaining about the government getting "bigger" and do something about the problem yourselves! Depending on some arcane ideology about reducing the size of government is about as helpful as the guy/gal collecting benefits with no intention of working themselves.

            It's the same thing. One is depending on the government to get smaller to make an excuse for doing nothing. The other (a well celebrated minority of those on aid) is depending on the government so they don't have to work. Both are using the same excuse to do nothing.

            • 17 votes
            Reply#5 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:30 AM EDT
            markpup

            There's only so hard someone can work and I agree there is a drive to get less people to do more, but in terms of making a profit, it's short sighted.

            My sister owns a bar/restaurant and it would never occur to her to cut back on her people if it means service is slower for her customers. In fact some of her people complain they could make more in tips if there were less servers, but customers who get bad or slow service don't come back.

            In my own case I'm in IT and we all have great red meat stories about "sweatshop" outfits where their people are underpaid, exempt (salaried) and work huge hours under pressure. The net result of that is hardly anything gets done because the project management's dysfunctional and the people are burned out beyond anything. Is that a scenario where profits can happen?

            Using this Hertz example - the first auto rental company that hires more people and gets their customers in and out efficiently and quickly will have more business than they know how to handle. I've also had long waits for car rental and would go anywhere I can avoid that.

            • 13 votes
            Reply#6 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:33 AM EDT
            ryoushi12

            Exactly. Right now the ONLY reason they get away with this is by offering steep discounts if you preorder a vehicle, locking you into the atrocious service.

            • 8 votes
            #6.1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:54 AM EDT
            markpup

            Yeah you're right but that only works once. After I get the atrocious service, next time I rent I go to someone else.

            Of course the same thing happens. The first one to get it right will win and win big because customers like me will come back.

            I will credit auto rental generally with making returning the car a much more efficient process it used to suck, but they still need to get a lot better about the car pickup.

            • 8 votes
            #6.2 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:00 PM EDT
            Buckeye Voter

            Pro tip: join the rental company's customer program. It's free and lets you skip the rental counter (or, at a minimum, lets you use the short line).

            For example, Thrifty has their "Blue Chip" program that's free to join (use a spam-toss email address, because they will constantly send you "deals" via email). When we got to Boston, the van driver told me, "your car is number 38." I didn't have to go inside the little building, just walked over to car 38, put my stuff in and drove off. Keys were inside, my paperwork waiting on the dash. They're all pretty much like that.

            Sorry for the off-topic post, but it seemed to fit the flow of conversation.

            • 2 votes
            #6.3 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:06 AM EDT
            Nick46

            I've also had long waits for car rental and would go anywhere I can avoid that.

            Gold express service is great. But most people don't want to pay the extra money for the membership. But if you rent alot this is the way to go.

              #6.4 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:45 AM EDT
              Buckeye Voter

              ... most people don't want to pay the extra money for the membership...

              I wouldn't, either. I rent, maybe, once a year - and even then I'm price-sensitive. I recommend the free memberships.

              • 2 votes
              #6.5 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 11:24 AM EDT
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              Ernie Hill

              It seems he has his work cut out for himself car rental company should have another person working with him.

              • 6 votes
              Reply#7 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:39 AM EDT
              GEEZER-guy

              But The Company will credit the lost business to "the economy?" and use the deminishing bottomline to justify cuting back even more (very often in customer service).

              QUESTION: If Hertz lays off that one overworked employee and hires 2 part-timers, do they get credit for increasing employment? What if he's replaced by someone from a temp agency?

              • 9 votes
              #7.1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:24 PM EDT
              ReasonPlease

              Well, that's an interesting set of questions to me. Does the corporation get credit for increasing employment? Maybe yes, maybe no for new-hire reporting purposes. If he's replaced by a temp? No, the new hire is reported by the employer (temp agency). If he's replaced by 2 part-time employees? Yes, but without health care benefit option.

              No temp job incurs employer-cost or employer-benefit to the corporation - zero, zip, nada because they are not the employer of record. 2 part-time jobs incur some employer burdens (matching OASDI & Medicare, WC premiums, UI premiums for the main); but 2 part-time jobs do not incur the substantial (soon to grow) employer burden of health care premiums.

              • 2 votes
              #7.2 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:50 PM EDT
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              ReasonPlease

              It's a great point about burned out employees, my observation is they are observably and undeniably far less productive. The result of under-staffing is the opposite of the intention - for both employees and employers. It just doesn't make any sense from a customer service standpoint; but it does make sense if management's salary is tied to cost-savings.

              • 9 votes
              Reply#8 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:41 AM EDT
              Jonathan-2055273

              I set up a no overtime without executive approval (and that would mean it would have to be something critical) and no overtime allowance to go for more than 2 weeks. After about two weeks you lose more productivity than you would have even with a normal work schedule.

              • 2 votes
              #8.1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 3:16 PM EDT
              markpup

              I used to have a sign posted in my cubicle:

              Overtime this week is loss of productivity next week.

              It was entertaining because a few of the management hated it, but I had a good boss who agreed and I got to keep it. The nature of the job like most of IT is if there's a deployment or major problem, you had to stay over sometimes overnight to work on it but overall it was OK because these type of problems at least at this company were rare - maybe once in 2 months or something like that. At a whole lot of places it's almost every day and more the norm than the exception and people burn out quickly.

              • 5 votes
              #8.2 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 3:22 PM EDT
              Jonathan-2055273

              IBM Federated (the guys that wrote the software for the space shuttle) had/has a similar sign that says 'overtime is failure'. I would agree to that.

              Now as for me, if we are in some form of crunch mode, (deadline, emergency) then it is fine to cram in some overtime, because the expectation is that the week or so afterwards will be spent in a down mode, as the pressure is off, and people can take time off. Working in the IT industry, I got a lot of that. Doing what I am doing now which is manufacturing, not so much.

              • 2 votes
              #8.3 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 3:26 PM EDT
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              chitchat-653533

              Another self-service Kiosk on its way/sarc

              • 7 votes
              Reply#9 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:00 PM EDT
              chitownty

              Their gonna need it after that poor guy drops dead or walks out.We as customers should call or write any company who gives us this type of service.How much could they really be saving here? NOTHING if everyone where to walk out of there.

              • 9 votes
              #9.1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:15 PM EDT
              chitchat-653533

              Unfortunately that was my point. Businesses are investing in these types of machines...not US workers. Yes, they are convenient; but I personally still like talking with a PERSON. I will wait in line to pay for my groceries and when the line gets too large, the store always opens more registers. People first, but I am old school. These times they are a changin.

              • 8 votes
              #9.2 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:27 PM EDT
              Loozerio

              People first, but I am old school.

              Amen to that, chitchat.

              • 8 votes
              #9.3 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:30 PM EDT
              chitownty

              People first is right,but that's not the American way anymore.Sad.This isn't going to stop until the people take to the streets.Voting almost isn't enough anymore.

              • 9 votes
              #9.4 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:35 PM EDT
              krounded

              Yes, they are convenient; but I personally still like talking with a PERSON.

              I'd like to see them fit cars in a vending machine (just a joke :-)

              Case in point: I went from IL to OH last October. The IN toll road was a joke. No people, all machines. If you did not have a pass, you were trapped trying to shove money into an ill-placed box while it blew out of your hand down the road. People were having to chase their money down the highway. Ridiculous.

              Traffic was backup all over because of people struggling with these machines. All because IN did not want to employ people to man the toll booths, not even one. I was glad to get into OH where there were people at the toll booths. Efficient and friendly people to accept the money. Worked great. What a revelation.

              • 13 votes
              #9.5 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 12:38 PM EDT
              Loozerio

              Many toll roads are being privatized, with the not too surprising result. The state gets some money from the sale, but when that's gone, the toll road is no longer a revenue source for them. It's now owned and run by a giant parasitic for-profit conglomerate, teeming with little mindless sub-parasites, and the toll road becomes an embarassment for the state. So let's do the math...ehhh...a dumbass state bureaucrat dude(tte) makes the short term budget look good by selling off the best state asset for long-term, stable revenue, and not too long afterward, said bureaucrat stands in the middle of the chaotic and degraded toll road with their pants down around their ankles and a @!$%#ed up budget, again. Whooo, Loozerio is really impressed with that sharp long-term foresight, NOT.

              • 14 votes
              #9.6 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 1:06 PM EDT
              GEEZER-guy

              Yep, chop down the apple orchard to make toothpicks.

              • 13 votes
              #9.7 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 5:05 PM EDT
              Loozerio

              ....chucklechuckle...haven't heard that one before...but it works!

              • 8 votes
              #9.8 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 5:11 PM EDT
              ScubaGolfJim

              chitownty

              Their gonna need it after that poor guy drops dead or walks out.

              Wanna guess which is more likely to happen? After all, where else is he gonna go?

              Corp: "Why'd you leave your last job?"

              Worker: "They were overworking me and expecting too much."

              Corp: "Thank you for applying. NEXT!"

              • 8 votes
              #9.9 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 6:22 PM EDT
              0pinion8ed

              And, not suprising... the lower the pay scale, the harder corporate grinds down it's people. The mantra seems to be... "you are lucky you have a job, don't complain." And labor hours are calculated with a formula based on the previous year's income. I have seen lots of this in the big box stores that have taken over our small town freezing out the locals and with it, decency to employees. To rise in those ranks requires a mirroring of corporate attitudes.... harsh. Slavery still exists.

              • 12 votes
              #9.10 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 6:39 PM EDT
              Arthur Digby Sellers

              I was glad to get into OH where there were people at the toll booths. Efficient and friendly people to accept the money. Worked great. What a revelation.

              Don't get too attached. Our current Governor S#!t-for-Brains wants to turn the Turnpike into the Kasich-stan Expressway and do away with our toll workers, too. Apparently, they belong to that group of 'fat lazy government employees'.

              • 10 votes
              #9.11 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 9:12 PM EDT
              Nick46

              Another self-service Kiosk on its way/sarc

              Kiosks are great. Of couse there are some people that find using one too difficult. Why would anyone wait in line when a kiosk get's you through in minutes?

              • 1 vote
              #9.12 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:49 AM EDT
              jmorris

              krounded

              Yes, they are convenient; but I personally still like talking with a PERSON.

              I'd like to see them fit cars in a vending machine (just a joke :-)

              Sure you laugh now . . . .

              http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/15488/japanese-smart-car-vending-machine

              • 5 votes
              #9.13 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:51 AM EDT
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              yeagerdog

              I recall in the early 70s companies actually tried to make your workload reasonable and to include free medical insurance so as to make your life good and you would stay until you were too old to work any more.

              That was then, this is now, so I ask; which America would you prefer?

              • 10 votes
              Reply#10 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 7:00 PM EDT
              0pinion8ed

              I seem to remember some of that yeager, long ago and far away. Isn't it funny how many people want to leach off the work of the real producers all the while putting them down. That was one of the things I took away from Atlas Shrugged, not rugged indivudualism. A lot of people in the stock market, regular buyers are contributing mightly to that blood sucking activity. Stock holders are just as complicit as any CEO or CFO. They have little concern for those at the front end actually doing the work to make a business successful. A company is less about ownership than the skills, talents and loyalty of the workers making it all work... They would do well to remember that.

              • 8 votes
              #10.1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 7:58 PM EDT
              Nick46

              I recall in the early 70s companies actually tried to make your workload reasonable and to include free medical insurance so as to make your life good and you would stay until you were too old to work any more.

              I have never heard anyone call their workload reasonable. They always complain it's too much even in the '70s. I worked for a major corporation and did a covert study of workers actual 'production time'. The majority of workers across the country actually worked less than 6 hours in an eight hour day. I showed up as a 'trainee' and stayed 2 weeks then quit so no one knew my mission.

              Even worse worker lied about their productivity on reports. Because they had to account for 8 hours they inflated work time and reported working on something they never touched all day.

                #10.2 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 10:47 AM EDT
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                Marcel Villa

                How many times have I used the phone to ask for some information and the person who answers the phone is not even residing in America. It is a person from somewhere around timbuktu or whatever. Get this, I was trying to call a company that installed my boiler heater just recently and having a problem with it. The call was answered by someone located in India, 12,000 miles away.

                These people have my name, my address, my P.O. Box number, my account number and telephone number and even my email address. There is no more privacy in America.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#11 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 8:12 PM EDT
                Nick46

                These people have my name, my address, my P.O. Box number, my account number and telephone number and even my email address. There is no more privacy in America.

                If you think this isn't done in the USA you're mistaken. Companies outsource all the time. And they all have access to your data. Here's an example not a dig on Sears but Sears outsources their repair work to independent contractors. They have your data too.

                  #11.1 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 11:36 AM EDT
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                  Joe-1863628

                  Ever go into Wal-Mart and there is only one or two check-outs open out of fifteen, that is the way to do things allright!

                  • 7 votes
                  Reply#12 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 9:15 PM EDT
                  Fla Pat

                  Ever go into Wal-Mart and there is only one or two check-outs open out of fifteen, that is the way to do things allright!

                  Don't stop there - there are grocery stores, banks, airline counters, and on and on. The most efficient and best staffed place I have been recently was at the DMV to renew my driver's license. Rick Scott will fix that soon I'm sure.

                  • 10 votes
                  #12.1 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 9:31 PM EDT
                  Grey Wolf

                  Rick Scott will fix that soon I'm sure.

                  ;->

                  • 8 votes
                  #12.2 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 10:38 PM EDT
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                  charger383

                  They will kill the goose that lays golden eggs.

                  • 7 votes
                  Reply#13 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 10:51 PM EDT
                  blindsided-1194485

                  The goose is already on "life support."

                  • 6 votes
                  #13.1 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 6:50 AM EDT
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                  Bob-970091

                  Chitchat wants to talk to a person..great..will you pay EXTRA to do so? How much more? How about bank tellers.if bank said you can go a teller for $5 for stuff an ATM can do, would you spend it? How often per month?

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#14 - Sun Aug 7, 2011 11:31 PM EDT
                  hemphill

                  We already do pay extra. Banks have began underwriting their cost of doing business on their banking accounts customers. Try cashing a check from a business at the bank it is written off of. You will get charged 5-10 dollars to cash a check written against the bank you are standing in.

                  • 7 votes
                  #14.1 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:19 AM EDT
                  Jonathan-2055273

                  well hemp, if only you would put your money into the bank and save tons more so that the bank can profit more from that side of their business, you wouldn't get dinged so much on service charges.

                  • 4 votes
                  #14.2 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:27 AM EDT
                  hemphill

                  Every time I go to cash a check the bank asks if I would like to open an account with them. I always reply, why would I want to do business with a bank that makes its own customers look so bad.

                  • 8 votes
                  #14.3 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:32 AM EDT
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                  jopocop

                  This is a typical story ongoing in America, whether it is a major corporation or even a private smaller business.

                  Businesses are squeezing the most possible out of workers. There is a threat of pink slips for complainers and weak links and laggards. It is more than a threat, but there are job terminations left and right of people that are deemed not productive enough by today's new standards of productivity.

                  Even S&P's despicable sneak attack Bond downgrade is an example of how corporations are so indifferent to society, the community and our country. In the case of S&P, they gave a sudden pink slip to untold Americans. S&P caused a world wide panic that it is now doomsday for economies.

                  You have to wonder where was S&P's brains. They had other less drastic options to explode on America.

                  S&P could have announced that they were still worried and concerned about the recent budget deal. They could have written up an analysis of the deficiencies, with details, and asked for more Congressional actions to spare the inevitable downgrade. S&P could have gone public, with buying a one page newspaper discussion their concerns. S&P could have gone to the American people, direct, with a news conference, and give a further warning to the people, who in turn could contact their representatives to once again to respond to the threat.

                  In my book, S&P is a walking dead corporation now, as Americans are going to despise them forever. This may begin to play out over the near future, as Americans wake up and see who the villain is in this drama. Right now, Americans are upset with the politicians, but, they will begin to realize that S&P just screwed America and needs to be punished for what they did.

                  I bet in the hearts of S&P, they now better see the stupidity of what they did and probably are in damage control mode to figure out how to avoid a meltdown directed to them.

                  I point this out, because, American corporations ought to learn from S&Ps mistake or face similar consequences by an irate public.

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#15 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:01 AM EDT
                  Jonathan-2055273

                  jopo:

                  That S&P downgrade has been known for about 6 months. It wasn't a sneak attack, it wasn't underhanded, it was even put in the press during the last couple of weeks that even if a deal is struck the US was probably going to lose the credit rating.

                  And for what its worth, S&P doesn't really have a direct interest in their sovereign ratings business.

                  ANd what makes you think that S&P hasn't gone back and forth with their concerns. As for going public, that isn't their business, they rate what the government does, they do not set policy, they rate it. The policy sucks. It isn't up to S&P to run the country's economic future, it isn't up to S&P, an unelected group, to determine how the US should run its affairs, that is up to the elected officials. ONCE however those elected officials make their decisions, then S&P is free to rate it. Asking S&P to tell the US how to run its affairs is about as wise as asking China to.

                  This downgrade was a LONG time in the making, and no they don't feel stupid about their decision. Why should they. They saw something that in their minds increased risk, they rated accordingly.

                  It is extremely doubtful that even if S&P went public that the tea part insurgents would have changed their behaviour anyways,

                  • 5 votes
                  #15.1 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:32 AM EDT
                  Nick46

                  Businesses are squeezing the most possible out of workers. There is a threat of pink slips for complainers and weak links and laggards.

                  Please don't say that. I love working with complainers, weak links and laggards. Doesn't everyone.

                  • 1 vote
                  #15.2 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:53 AM EDT
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                  Bob-970091

                  Amen, Jonathan. It was just a a matter of which agency moved first, and this will not be the last downgrade, by a long shot.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#16 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:48 AM EDT
                  skeptic-227981

                  While companies are cutting back on employees and forcing those who remain to work more than the equivalent of one job, there is also another factor to consider.

                  Sometimes, a manager will short-staff in order to drive a particular employee out the door. I've seen this done - to otherwise very good employees. It's a way of avoiding having to pay unemployment. The other side of the coin is to cut hours to the point where the employee is virtually fired anyway. But in that scenario, if an employee knows the rules, s/he can still file for unemployment.

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#17 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 3:53 AM EDT
                  William-3875223

                  Republicans sent 42000 US factories and 20,000,000 jobs out of this country since 2000. 750,000 jobs were lost the month bush left office. China imposes a 40% tax on our imports.

                  To get jobs here and rebuild our manufacturing factories and economy, we need to have strong import taxes on stuff coming into wal mart and box stores here just as George Washington put tariffs on imported manufactured goods to grow our factories, keep money here and raise revenue. GE and EXXON and other large corporations pay NO income taxes. Why not. Corporations are considered just like people according to the Supreme Court.

                  Republicans hire 20,000,000 illegals. Arrest anyone hiring an illegal worker and they will go back to their own countries.

                  Republican President IKE Eisenhower had taxes on the rich at over 90% of their income. Raise taxes on the rich and create a nationwide program to renew our electrical grid to include renewable energy like windmills and solar generators just like IKE built our Interstate highway system and other presidents built dams.

                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#18 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 6:57 AM EDT
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                  Free Mason-1490678Deleted
                  Jimi Maynard

                  I worked in the manufacturing industry and as people died, retired, quit or fired no one was hired to replaced them and the workload was just put on the backs on the ones still there. Needless to say these two large corporations I worked for 40 odd years are no longer in business manly because they on their own accord lost and never replaced the people who actually did the work.Not the CEO or bean counters..

                  • 7 votes
                  Reply#20 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 7:50 AM EDT
                  Philip Grant

                  Check this out: http://money.usnews.com/money/

                  For those who are still in denial, here are the results of the 2010 Republican Revaluation.

                  Please, someone please, explain to me how you can create jobs by laying off 100,000 Public Service Workers. That's 100,000 less people buying, paying taxes, and being able into pay their bills.

                  Help me out, I'm not a bright as some of you "so called" Conservatives. Tell how it's advantageous to small businesses to have less people who can afford to consume their products?

                  • 8 votes
                  Reply#21 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 8:35 AM EDT
                  1------TO------12

                  What is the advantage to paying $2 trillion in debt service each year?

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#22 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 8:59 AM EDT
                  oneofmany

                  If I could create an allegory for the us/global economy it would be the snake eating its own tail. Its all good while its consuming the bottom but what does it think will happen higher up when it begins to consume its own vital organs...

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#23 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 9:58 AM EDT
                  qwyken

                  Down on Wall St. all the financial wizards are giving their opinions as to why America's finances are in such dire straits.
                  First of all, the USA is trading with the most brutal regime that ever existed on this planet, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). There is an expression, what goes around comes around. Or for the more spiritual of us, as you sow, so shall you reap.
                  Washington is fully aware of the heinous acts committed by the CCP such as torture, child slavery and the murder of tens of millions of its own people but continues to do business as usual because of corporate greed.
                  Also, since 1999, the cruel CCP has been attempting a genocide of the millions of peaceful Falun Gong by spreading lies and hiding its inhuman tactics against this gentle practise.
                  I think that it is about time that America stood up and got out of bed with such a monster as the CCP. Canada as well.

                  • 4 votes
                  Reply#24 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 10:53 AM EDT
                  dcstone01

                  Buy only Made in America products don't support this type of regime by purchasing anything made in China.....

                  • 5 votes
                  #24.1 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 11:29 AM EDT
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                  Nick46

                  'company rules about needing to answer the phone won't change'... but hey, you tried right?...

                  I know for a fact that a customer spending $100 now is more important that a phone call asking if you have something in stock. I will never shop somewhere that has a rude policy of ignoring face to face customers for the phone. If you are working with me then you don't leave me to help someone on the phone.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#25 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 11:15 AM EDT
                  dcstone01

                  As I said...go ahead and complain...it won't do any good because 'the corporation' will also hear of the complaint of the phone not being answered too...

                  • 6 votes
                  #25.1 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 11:30 AM EDT
                  ReasonPlease

                  It's very interesting that #25 and #25.1 have an opposite viewpoint - and both are correct in my opinion. But I think the heart of the issue remains: this particular clerk in the story of this particular company. Is the clerk at fault for having to decide? Or is the company at fault for forcing the clerk to decide? Or is there no fault?

                  • 4 votes
                  #25.2 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:16 PM EDT
                  dcstone01

                  The employee is doing what the 'corpoarate' wants...so, ultimately it is 'the business's' fault...

                  • 4 votes
                  #25.3 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:21 PM EDT
                  Nick46

                  You assume that's what corporate wants. Do you really think that a customer with a $100 cash purchase should be ignored for an unknown phone call. Get some common sense. Face customers are always more important to any company. Phone customers are almost always price shopping. If you leave a face customer for the phone that's equivalent to someone cutting in line. Do stores tolerate that?

                  • 1 vote
                  #25.4 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:34 PM EDT
                  dcstone01

                  That is what you say Nick, and I don't disagree, (perhaps you should read my comments more critically) In an ideal world it should be that way...

                  BUT...having worked in the corporate culture of various retail and banking industries,...I know from the customer service 'employee' side of it...that what you are saying really doesn't matter...The notion of the customer is always right went out the window when all corporate worrys about is the bottom line...Corporate will not change it's rules...

                  Only unless enough people STOP using their services altogether for a protracted period of time, and I'm talking repeated quarters of losses...only then will they consider changing anything...

                  • 7 votes
                  #25.5 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 2:58 PM EDT
                  Nick46

                  You're probably correct that it doesn't matter. But at least it matters to me. If that happens to me in a store I raise holy hell about the rudeness. It may not matter to them but at least I have all the other customer's attention.

                  I once had a clerk leave after starting to process my order and was gone 10 minutes checking stock for a phone call. And not onlt that there were 8 people in line.

                  • 1 vote
                  #25.6 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 3:43 PM EDT
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                  Grey Wolf

                  (since this is my own seed, so i can 'spam' it;)

                  Lighten up, everybody, have a chuckle ;-)

                  Extremely hilarious video!!! "E-Trade Baby Loses Everything"

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#26 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:23 PM EDT
                  dcstone01

                  I've heard it's funny, but my 'blocker' is not allowing me to view video's right now...(I am having problems re-establishing my viewing capabilities) I am having computer issues...and everything is being blocked...which is good on one hand, since I already lost one computer this year so I am not taking chances...

                  But, from what I have heard...it is a funny video...I wish I could see it...

                  • 4 votes
                  #26.1 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 1:30 PM EDT
                  ReasonPlease

                  I don't have speakers on my computer (Luddite, hate my computer nagging at me) but I love the E-Trade baby so I'm sure it's great without listening to it!

                  • 4 votes
                  #26.2 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 2:02 PM EDT
                  Grey Wolf

                  nah, you gotta' hear it to appreciate it: sorry to hear the two of you can't enjoy it. ;-(

                  i laugh every time i watch it, even though i know what's coming

                  • 2 votes
                  #26.3 - Mon Aug 8, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
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