Occupy Pensacola: Alleged "Conservatives" Better Wake Up

And, being under thirty, how did they look? Did they look unemployed? Did they look like they had no future?

Pensacola nd my town are the same size and looks like we have the same sort of people showing up. Just Americans...

Linda,

You may have missed then teaching point ma'am. If all the protestors were dorting themselves as are the ones in Pensacoloa, then more people would be more prone to give them some credibility. I am disinclined to give those boneheads in NYC the time of day until they quit living like pigs, defecating on police cars and quit violating other people's property rights.

The folks in Pensacola, from what I see in this article, I would be happy to have a conversation with them.

Regards,

Mike

dorting

Should be "deporting."

dorting

Should be "deporting."

Should be "comporting".

com·port/kəmˈpôrt/

Verb:

1. Conduct oneself; behave.
2. Accord with; agree with.

yeah, the right and left are sometimes complaining about the same things ...

The problem being, they are juxtaposed on how to rectify the same issues. The right wants to continue with the failed policy of trickle down economics, blame the government and set up a laissez-faire economic structure which would rely on the good will of the rich and powerful to safeguard the public well being, while the left would like the rich and powerful to pay their full share and use that to safeguard the public well being. The question is; do you think that business and those that most profit from it, will look out for anything other than profits? I think that has already been answered many times over, NO.

do you think that business and those that most profit from it, will look out for anything other than profits?

This is where the role of government in setting policy should act to create policies conducive to the desired outcome rather than attempting to micromanage the situation and forcing an outcome.

hypothetically if everyone had the exact same income would there be equality or would there still be complaints that some group has an unfair advantage. I think there would. no.

As we have seen the problem is global and it seems that some entity {unknown to me} agreed on globalization and this is good for some and bad for others. Policies that steer the actions and behavior of corporations to a better outcome is where I believe the solution is. The US system was the best of all history and it seems to have gone too far in one direction and I believe it can be corrected without abandoning it completely.

I would, in theory agree. The form of capitalism that has always worked best for this country includes a large dose of socialism. Ideally, purposefully and effectively regulated business and a healthy, happy, well compensated workforce makes for the best form of capitalism in this country. One where everyone feels, rightly or not, that they have the ability to move up the social ladder. This had been the compact between business and workers since the 50's and built a strong, happy middle class. That is up until the early 80's when Reaganomics started to work is evil spell on the working class. Borrow large sums of money from the workers( Payroll tax), pass it back to the wealthy and big business(tax loopholes and the reduced tax rate of the capital gains tax) and let them do as they will with the workers, dismantle collective bargaining agreements, restrict organizing, cut or stagnate wages, cut benefits, eliminate company retirement packages and now cut social safety nets. All of which gives you a workforce that is willing to work for whatever you pay them without any type of retirement possibly or liability to the employer. The Conservative utopia, abundant cheap labor, no social compact, no shared liability (bailouts) and a free reign in political spending.

I humbly disagree with you and you have outlined several areas where policy changes can impact our direction which brings us back to OWS and what they might be about. Policy change will get us on the right course more quickly than any other solution I can envision. I don't know what OWS will result in or how it will get there. However, if economic equity and stability is restored by policy change then it would seem OWS would be satisfied. Politicians appear to be waking to the idea that they may be able to deliver but they still need more encouragement/goading/OWSing.

In order for policy to be changed, legislation must be passed. By the right refusing to do their jobs, compromise and pass legislation that both sides can stomach, the right has effectively stopped the growth of the economy, stopped the progression of democracy and screwed every American not part of the 1%.

Restricting Visas is another area where some attention needs to be paid because this along with Globalization and Extraction is undermining the conditions. Arguably its part and parcel of Globalization but again a simple policy change would go a long way to balancing the playing filed.

Case: offshoring by itself was failing however when an offshore resource is issued a visa and is installed in a position to interface with the offshore team their success increases substantially.

Ron, I get your bias...

OWS is attempting to drive change although they seem to be all over the place on what that is. People can drive change though through concerted effort and pressure on or replacement of the elected officials to enact the policy change needed.

I don't really want to engage in defining or speculating your solution for you although you seem to be implying OWS has no chance of succeeding.

Again, in theory I agree. However that is against the laissez-faire economic template the right wants to install. When profit is the sole driving factor in business, then it is only logical to send jobs to those that will take the least for their labor. What I would suggest, other than addressing the immigration issue, is stop giving tax breaks to those that outsource. Stop giving tax breaks to those that set up their businesses in offshore states to avoid US tax. Stop excluding money made overseas by US companies from taxation. Stop giving subsidies to those that take our national resources off shore and then sell them back to us. Stop making it more profitable take the jobs away from US workers by addressing the tax issues, hit them where it makes them listen, in the pocketbook.

On the contrary, I hope they do succeed. I am a proponent of their ideals. I think government has allowed business to dictate policy and have gained undue and unwarranted influence over those of us that work for a living, not just draw dividends from investment. However I do not think that there is any way that change can happen unless legislation is passed, that seems in doubt given the current crop of GOPT thugs in congress. The 1% runs this government and has hold on both parties, even if it is not equally. The only way to level the playing field is to take public money out of politics, but that is a hard sell. Kinda like a crack addict trying to quit, they may want to, need to and plan to, but it seldom happens.